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(4 replies, posted in Setup)

I have previously mapped it in the other direction and I am pretty sure you can map weberp to front accounting

Royce wrote:

Hi there, the basic issue is that our users refuse to use webERP because its god-awful to look at.  Our management agrees and they can't use it either so that's why I built the front end using ExtJS.  ExtJS is not as bad as it seems.  I built custom distros of it that only uses the pieces that we need so the footprint/hardware requirements is very small.  I also implemented some keyboard shortcuts but that wasn't a requirement for us. 

FA is an improvement in the UI, but again, our users are used to the friendly UI of Quckbooks and find webERP/FA too difficult to navigate.  Please don't take that personally, I'm a techy and totally comfortable with command line etc. but I don't make the decisions for my company ;-).

I'm sure I don't need to mention that as webERP is released under the GPL, you would have to release your enhancements under the same license.

Tim

Hi Janusz,

As you say in your post your knowledge of webERP is not current, and likewise my knowledge of FA is nowhere near as detailed as it is of webERP. There are some things in your list that webERP has had for a while, and some that webERP has that FA doesn't but aren't mentioned. This is why the original question really makes no sense. Features can change, whereas this post will remain as an historical record. If I was to list a feature that webERP has and FA doesn't, you may release that feature next week making this post nonsense. However a potential user may come along and read this post and believe that FA doesn't have that feature. The only way to do a feature comparison is to provide two links to the features sections on our websites.

The true difference between the two projects is one of development philosophies. This is why the original developers of OA (the father of FA) split from webERP. This was an amicable split, and webERP still has much code provided by those developers.

I have a great deal of respect for FA as a project, and have often urged people to look at it as well as webERP.

Ludo, you say that you will probably need a great deal of customisation to fit either project into your company. I have been implementing systems in companies for over 25 years and have never yet met a company that doesn't think its needs are special, and that a lot of customisation will be necessary. This is rarely if ever so. The skill in implementation is to see how a companies needs can be married with the softwares features. This is why good consultants can command high fees.

Thanks
Tim

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Well, I think that any SW project (not excluding an open source one) should take into account not only developers but also its target audience - with all the regard to developers, I think they are not target group of the majority of OS projects, and feeling so, may often hurt the spread of OS concept.
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Obviously we as developers take into account the needs of users when developing the software. The reason I am involved is that I spent many years as a user of erp systems, and wanted to develop a better system for users. Open source projects are fundamentally different from proprietary ones, as in the proprietary world the size of the user base is everything. In the open source world, the quality of the software is everything.

When you buy a proprietary erp system you purchase not only the developers time, but implementation consultancy and post sale hand holding. The point that I was making was that we as open source developers provide our time freely, and you get the code that we produce. We also try to help with answering any questions regarding the code, but if you want proper consultancy and hand holding that is something that you generally have to pay for.

It seemed that your initial question was trying to setup a competition between the projects where we would fight amongst ourselves for the honour of your assistance. This may just be a language thing, in which case I apologise. You would be made most welcome at both or either project as a contributor or as a user or both. Both have an active and friendly user community.

I hope this clears it up a bit,
Tim

First of all to avoid any confusion I am an admin on the webERP project, and do not speak in any way for the Front accounting project.

Both Front accounting and webERP are excellent projects and I can recommend both of them to you. They share some similarities, but also have enough differences to make it worthwhile having two projects.

It seems to me that you fall into a common misconception regarding open source projects, that in some way the developers should act as salesmen, and should sell the product to you. You say "What would be your reasoning for us to deploy/participate on development on FrontAccounting instead of those stated above", when you should be asking what your reasoning is for supporting either project. The code and the features are open for all to see, you should be deciding which project gives you what you want, and deciding how best you can help that project.

I do not see webERP and Front accounting as being competitors, rather we are partners in attempting to push forward the cause of open source erp solutions. I do not develop webERP to increase the number of users of the software, rather I am trying to develop the best erp software I can, and if I achieve that then the users will follow. I imagine the motives of the Front accounting developers are similar.

Open source being what it is, any developments you did for one project could be taken to the other one if they were a good enough fit anyway. My advice is to try both, and then get developing. There is nothing to stop you supporting both projects :-)

Tim

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(2 replies, posted in Setup)

Thanks Joe, I can see that now. Is there a reason behind this? it seems confusing. Anyway, its a minor point, and not important in the scheme of things.

Thanks
Tim

Joe, Thanks for that, I realised afterwards the post was appearing in the forums at https://frontaccounting.com/wb2/pages/forum.php which is where sourceforge directed me and not here. Its not imprtant, I had already implemented the change you have suggested anyway, and will restrict my future comments to here.

Thanks
Tim

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(2 replies, posted in Setup)

The language setting in the display setup is not being saved. I have made the changes to the 3 files affected, where should I send the changes, and in what format should they be sent?

Thanks
Tim

Hi, I posted a message on here yesterday, had a reply from Joe, and sent another reply after. Coming back this evening, the thread has disappeared, and I have had to re-register with the forum. Should I feel persecuted?

Tim