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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Closing year not balancing.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ok<br />I think &quot;closing a year&quot; should give option (2) whatever the checkbox is&nbsp; marked or not. I&#039;m not saying in the general case but <br />in Brought forward columns, when I am on the first day of the fiscal year.<br />Moreover, I&#039;m not saying that the &#039;brought forward&#039; column should only show the balance and don&#039;t have a debit and credit column.<br />What I mean is the part corresponding to the previous fiscal year should be &quot;balanced&quot;.</p><p>Basically, if I look at my current bank account (for example), what I need to see in the brought forward is the closing balance of this account.</p><p>As example seems to be useless I&#039;ll give you the pseudo code which I think should be :</p><p>rather than displaying :</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp;balance(begin, from)[&quot;debit&quot;]&nbsp; &nbsp;| balance(begin,from)[&quot;credit&quot;]</p><p>The trial balance should display something like<br />&nbsp; balance(begin, from)[&quot;debit&quot;] - opening_balance&nbsp; | balance(begin,from)[&quot;credit&quot;] -opening_balance</p><p>with opening_balance = balance(&#039;000, begin)[&quot;debit&quot;] - balance(000, begin)[&quot;credit&quot;]</p><p>(Once again, it&#039;s pseudo code but I hope you get the idea)</p><p>/Elax</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Closing year not balancing.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@elax<br />I will try once again.</p><p>Both values are correct. The result depends on how you have marked the checkbox, Only Balances. If you have not marked the checkbox, the answer is (1). <br />If you have marked the checkbox, the answer is (2).</p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T20:56:06Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@joe</p><p>Is think my question is clear and I don&#039;t understand why people can&#039;t answer it. In my example below, which is behavior is expected (1) or (2) ???</p><p>/Elax</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T20:33:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you mark the checkbox, Only Balances, you will probably see better values. Here you see the balances broight forward.<br />If the checkbox is unmarked, you will see the debit values and credit values brought forward.</p><p>@elax<br />Was this explanation better?</p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T20:12:35Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Apologies for not reading your question closely enough. No need to be *too* grumpy and snappy.</p><p>Looking at a test database in which I had closed a fiscal year; and generating a trial balance report from the first day of the new fiscal year, it looks like my version is resulting in the first scenario you described above - ie, it&#039;s showing debits and credits as the &#039;brought forward&#039; amount.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T20:06:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Closing year not balancing.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>kharding wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If it&#039;s a non-balance account, you should see 0 brought forward.</p></blockquote></div><p>If you read my question carrefully, you should notice that I said </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>elax wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I know that non-balance account show 0 as opening balance if selected from the beginning of the year.<br />My question is about balance account ...</p></blockquote></div><p>Therefore I don&#039;t need any explanation about non-balance account.</p><p>I said &quot;balance account&quot;, like a bank account or anything which is </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>kharding wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What is the type and class of the account? </p><p>Do you mean stock as in common shares? If so, wouldn&#039;t this be properly accounted under equity or liabilities?</p></blockquote></div><p>The problem appears with any-type of balance account so for example Bank current account (class : Current Asset)</p><p>/Elax</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T20:00:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If it&#039;s a non-balance account, you should see 0 brought forward.</p><p>What is the type and class of the account?&nbsp; </p><p>Do you mean stock as in common shares? If so, wouldn&#039;t this be properly accounted under equity or liabilities?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T19:51:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think we are not understanding each other.</p><p>I know that non-balance account show 0 as opening balance if selected from the beginning of the year.<br />My question is about balance account and I don&#039;t know if the current behavior is correct or if its bug.</p><p>So my question is : <br />Let&#039;s say I have at the end of the year in bank : debit 150 credit 50 before closing the year.<br /><strong>After closing the year</strong> (imagine I have no other transaction ) what should I see as brought forward</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; (1) Debit 150 Credit 50<br />or<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; (2) Debit 100 Credit 0.</p><br /><p>/Elax</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T19:48:37Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t understand this. This routine has been running for a long time and has been working perfect.</p><p>Please remember that non-balance account shows 0 as opening balance if selected from the beginning of the fiscal year.</p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T17:46:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Closing year not balancing.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s what I&#039;ve done.<br />However. It seems that what I want is deleting a year would do (but without deleting it).</p><p>I had a look at the code and nothing (neither in closing year bit or the trial balance code) is calculating the opening balance at the begining of the fiscal year.</p><p> I explain, let&#039;s say last year I have </p><p>Stock 150 | 50</p><p>and I have done this year (but before the end of the period)&nbsp; 20 | 10<br />I expect the Trial balance to be <br />Stock 120 | 10&nbsp; ( I started with 100 | 0 and add 20 | 10 to it ) instead of<br />Stock 170 | 60</p><p>Obviously if I start the report at the beginning of the year I expect<br />Stock 100 | 0&nbsp; &nbsp; 20 | 10<br />but I get</p><p>Stock 150 | 50 20 | 10</p><p>/Elax</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T16:58:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Please take a Trial Balance from the beginning of your company year. The first year to see if the balance is ok.</p><p>/Joe</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T16:48:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Closing year not balancing.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not sure what you mean by done correctly (or how can I check it).<br />I selected the fiscal year, set close to yes and saved it.<br />That generated one journal entry from Profit and Lost to Retained Earning which seems.</p><p>My problem is when I go to Trial Balance (not trial report) starting at the beginning of the fiscal year, I am expectind the Brought Forward value to be the opening balance with either Debit or Credit being null but that&#039;s not the case.<br />All the non balance are reset to 0 which is fine, but for the example the Stock show, 150 | 50 instead of&nbsp; 100 | 0.<br />It&#039;s the same for the bank accounts anything else.</p><br /><p>/Elax</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T16:10:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Are you sure it is done correctly.</p><p>The Trial Report should tell you about that. Remember that the Open Balances for non balance account is starting at 0 at the beginning of the fiscal year.</p><p>/Joe</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T13:54:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Closing year not balancing.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi <br />I&#039;ve just closed my first fiscal year with front accounting. Everything looks fine and the temporay account have been clear.<br />However the general account haven&#039;t been balanced, I mean, the debit and credits &#039;ve been brought forward separately instead of just bringing the balance forward.</p><p>Is it normal ? (or a bug or is there a setting to only bring the balance ? )</p><p>/Elax</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-15T11:58:07Z</updated>
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